Hi,

i play around a bit with MorphOS and want to integrate UAE.

To my Backgound: I was Amiga User for around 10 years (A600 then A1200 with RBM Tower modification and cybervision 3D). After using shapeshifter for a while i switched to Mac.

I know SED is an editor but i dont find a working version for MorphOS and i have some probles to understand the compatiblity with 68k or AmigaOS4

Which SED is needet for WHDLOpener?

How can i get old stuff like Deluxe Paint for example to run?

[ Editiert durch Tzunami 20.01.2021 - 01:28 ]

Dont know about a SED editor. Do you mean ED? Or CED (cygnus editor)?

MorphOS is transparent using 68k programs but they must be OS legal (ie programs must not use original amiga chipset but call OS functions)

If you mean the "GNU stream editor", which has about four different ports in Aminet, we have a MorphOS native port of it in the MorphOS SDK. And this kind of shell programs should run just as they are in the MorphOS shell without needing to use UAE/WHDLOpener/etc external emulation stuff... IF you want to run 68k exes, but naturally the MorphOS native port is a better choice.

Deluxe Paint requires the E-UAE/WHDLOpener setup, because it bangs the original hardware and can't be opened on system friendly screens. But as a tip, PPaint (68k) is a good program for pixeling and it does work as it is on MorphOS without external emulation.

[ Edited by jPV 20.01.2021 - 07:47 ]

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Yes it was the missing SDK.

Now it is installed, but i have no idea how to use ist.

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Usually people who want sed know how to use it ;) But here's the documentation:
https://www.gnu.org/software/sed/manual/sed.html

But if you want a "normal" text editor, maybe these will do:
Editor
FlowStudio

Why online? Use your offline Code: or Code:

[ Editiert durch polluks 20.01.2021 - 20:24 ]

SED Problem ist done guys

Now i wont to know how to use WHDLOpener

I face the same problem, SDK seems huge, is the way how to get this one utility and copy it somewhere.
Its same with wget and others i dont understand they are not part of vanilla instalation, there some much less useful items bundled.

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Usefulness is always in the eye of the beholder.

sed and wget are part of the GNU toolchain and so called ixemul executables from a MorphOS perspective which are mostly used for SDK components only, we don't plan to add them to the standard installation unless they are built with the more system friendly/integrated libnix runtime code (which is not possible in some cases).
ixemul executables don't use OS API functions directly but they are all using ixemul.library as some POSIX translation layer which glues them to the OS layer in the end. That is why most if not all of them are pure shell executables basically.

Well as BFU, with bad memory and because im using lost of platforms and machines, ihad no idea that is something wrong with some utilities which some programs are requesting.

As user experience so was far with MorphOS, im getting exactly opposite experience which now Linux or other OS are trying to deliver, system ready to go at the time of install, lots of these have nice space, usefulness ratio. Im spending a lot of time on some missing library hunting.

So it sort of call for better user experience.

Maybe some control panel which would list know OS non friendly build utilities, maybe some warning when they are use and package on ready in system to be installed on request, or be downloaded from the internet on request.

I think that good example of it is Windows Task manager, which shows which running problems are 32 bit, which are native and are x86 when you are using Windows ARM version, there is also gpu engine info or which version of 3D API is used.

Other way would be somehow adjust package as WHDL_opener which are using them to use something better if available.

Well, yea, it's a bit unfortunate that you had this experience with WHDL_Opener but IMHO it should be the responsibility of this specific package to at least hint at where to get those additional tools if they are required.

I agree that the SDK is rather huge for the common user needs if just some parts of the toolchain are required.
Maybe we should offer some way to install commonly used tools of the GNU toolchain but allow to skip the compilers or just generate some separate package with only some of the most popular GNU toolchain utilities.
This could cause other undesired implications, though and needs some afterthought.

Using Linux or other OS as reference for user experience but calling our optional SDK too huge to install is probably also not the correct perspective in terms of storage space requirements, though. Our goal was always to keep a very small footprint OS although we were in a bit of a conflict lately with all those requirements that came along with e.g. a browser application like Wayfarer.
Thanks for your suggestions, anyway.

We might strengthen our support for full legacy emulation in the future but that was not our main focus while improving on the project. There seems to be quite some interest into that direction by users who are invested into MorphOS lately, though.

Package is you own storage:
https://www.morphos-storage.net/?page=Emulation&file=WHDLOpener_1.3.lha

Im not expert there, but WHDL always seemed to me as important thing on Amiga systems and other version which i have managed to run is only some command line based and some other one if my memory serves is within Chrysalis Ultimate68k-E-UAE, but i would expect that MorphOS package would be more native and faster.

I have tried to push, through utility requirements, but its failing on something else right after,
i described error in details in cometary, in the link above.

These utilities are tiny, i have found core utils compiled for MorphOS:
https://mos.aminet.net/package/dev/gg/coreutils521-mos-bin yeah its from 2005
and tested them in terminal all what i tested worked fine, its really make terminal friendly for someone who already friendly with Linux terminal.

Only sed is missing and grep would be nice too.

I have tried to download SDK and someone extract sed from it, but i have failed, im used to use PC Total Commander to find files within archives, but these seems to be Amiga specific, so it fails and it package is huge. So it you able to upload SED somewhere it would be really nice, even better make package of all of these which are required by this package, because im not really used if 2005 version of them will do the job for WHDLoadopener.

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MorphOS Storage is a 3rd party web service and WHDLOpener is a 3rd party software solution. They aren't "officially" related to the operating system or to the MorphOS Team.

I did install WHDLOpener to a fresh MorphOS installation not too long ago, but maybe I had installed the SDK before, because I didn't have any issues and it was a breeze.