Hi there,

I've got a R9000Pro/AGP and a Voodoo3/PCI in my MDD/MOS2.7.
The voodoo gets too hot for me to keep a finger on the (passive) heatsink. Maybe that's because all slots - PCI and ATA - are used.
Eventually it stops working and MOS won't boot (but OSX will).

I've managed to make my MDD somewhat quiet (fans changed) So I really want a fanless solution here.

I got hold of a PCI Rage128 pulled from an old B/W Powermac G3
It shouldn't heat as much and so looks like a good candidate.
Problem is, while OSX detects and initializes it, MOS doesn't. Any idea?

In the case the rage is incompatible with MOS, can I have two radeons (say a 9000Pro/AGP and a 7000/PCI) in my Powermac working under MOS?
TIA

Serge

OT: Why do you need 2 GFX boards?

I had a Voodoo3 in my QS for a short time, didn't generate any heat (or other) issues, so it might be that your card is borked.

MorphOS will see the Voodoo and tries to initilize it, if it's disfunctional it might catch MorphOS in an endless loop (or downright crash it).

OSX also sees the Voodoo realizes that it lacks an OF/PPC BIOS and will skip to the next card and eventually boot just fine.

@Miky
Having Ambient, a shell, Wookiechat, some more crap and "your" app on the main screeen while letting Cubic-IDE or Scribble fill the 2nd one can be quite nice.
Same is probraly to for other non-coding productivity setups.

@Miky060 : because I can or because I'm used to huge screen space (PC@work, PC@home)

@Kronos : yes, it may well be borked. So, can I use a PCI Rage128 or Radeon?

The Rage might work, but MorphOS will only use 1 Radeon at the time.

Kronos,
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For now it doesn't, is there any tweak/hack I can try?

Dunno, but ....

There are 2 kinds of GFX-drivers for MorphOS:

- those that were present in 68k and/or PuP times, here CGX will do the complete init
-- this includes the Voodoo and probraly Permedia and some even more ancient stuff

- those that were made after MorphOS went Pegasos (and later Mac) here some basic init by OF/BIOS is expected
-- this includes all Radeons that PowerVR stuff and probraly the ATI-Rage too

Or in short:
You need an Mac-Version of that Rage to get it working.

> PowerVR stuff

...in MorphOS? Where? Or do you mean SiS or Volari?

Yeah, guess I meant "Volari" as those were used in some of Genesi's thin-clients (aka Efika),

Kronos,
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I pulled mine from an old G3 B/W Powermac, and it is detected by OSX on my MDD. Are there some subtle details I should know about Rage 128 compatibility?

I have the same rage from a G3 blue and white and morphos doesn't find it. I also have a voodoo4 pci that i tried but the colors are all wrong. For me MorphOS fails with 2 gfx boards in a powermac, period.

More details:

OSX detects it as "ATY Rage128y"
PCIInfo/MOS detects it as "ATI Rage RE/SG"

The Rage 128 looks like the best option to me because it should work on both OSes

As far as I know the Rage drivers are for AGP version and MorphOS doesn't do anything with a pci version. That said it would be a lot more interesting if both outputs on a Radeon could be used for dualscreen.

Oepabakkes,
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Ouch. Is that true for other non-radeon cards, like SiS-based ones?
In other words, is Voodoo the only option for a second (to a radeon) GFX board?

> Is that true for other non-radeon cards, like SiS-based ones? In other
> words, is Voodoo the only option for a second (to a radeon) GFX board?

MorphOS drivers for Permedia2 and SiS 300/305/315/6326 are there from the G-REX days so they should work with PCI cards. And also the MorphOS driver for Volari V3XT/V5(XT)/V8 should do with PCI as it was primarily created for the Efika 5200B.

PCI-Radeons DO work and I don't see any reason why PCI/AGP should matter with a Rage.


OF inits boths and put them into the device-tree.
MorphOS drivers traverse to that list and see if something fits them.

Could offcourse be that the Rage driver never gets started once MorphOS found the (much better ) AGP-Radeon, but I would rather guess on some small bug/quirk that makes the Rage driver fail under such circumstances.

Well my Voodoo4 PCI does show up at the monitor preferences, the Ati Rage pci does not . But they are both detected under MorphOS ...

Why ? I don't know. I still have to see the first one inhere posting that he has dual graphic cards working as it should in Powermac.

@Oepabakkes

See post No3

I've just decided it's more usefull for me at the moment to have that 2nd 21" connected to the Pegasos and ARESOne (leaving no input for the Voodoo).

Can someone tell me exactly which Rage cards have been tested?

[EDIT]

It seems Apple only shipped PCI Rage 128 or AGP Rage 128 Pro, the latter being the only Rage officially supported by MOS

Most of the enhancements of the pro version are 3D-related, any chance the current driver could be made to work with the standard 128?

[EDIT 2]

Any chance this might work?

PCI Rage 1280 Pro

[ Edited by Sergio 17.11.2011 - 13:02 ]