Typing from my Mac mini 1.75ghz now. Yes you read right, 1.75ghz. I could of overclocked to 1.83ghz, but didn't want to go that crazy. :) Reseated the heatsink with some Arctic Silver MX-4, bought a new battery, and just installed the SSD drive. Such a boost gain in starting MOS.

I bought the mSata to IDE adapter frrom china and waited rougly a week and some days for it to get here which it arrived today.

Mac Mini seems to get as hot as it used to at 1.5ghz. I am happy with this setup. :) Just be sure when you install that mSata adapter, the side with the mSata SSD faces UP, and the side with nothing and the sticker faces DOWN. :)

This calls for a dancing banana! ;)

Still waiting for mine to arrive.

Mind doing some benchmarking of HD vs SSD with DiskSpeed ? (Can be found in Applications/Benchmark directory)

Is it possible to use an IDE <-> SATA adapter + SSD as primary/bootable HD to a PowerMac?

I think I have read in the past that this was difficult to achieve.

It is possible and that was the initial setup I tried when I got the Seagate-Hybrid HD (ok not really a SSD).

I wasn't convinced with performance over the rather slow IDE (QuickSilver here) and finally went with a Sil3112 and a CF-card on the internal IDE. I could have made the Sil bootable by flashing it with WiebeTech but never bothered.

My advice would be to just get a cheap Sil (mine was like 10Euro),flash it and forget the IDE.

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https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=8859&viewmode=flat&sortorder=0&start=20

i'll benchmark my IDE OWC SSD in the powerbook to compare with previous results.

[ Edited by SoundSquare 25.06.2013 - 17:46 ]

Diskspeed results for the OWC Mercury Legacy 64Gb SSD (ATA) on Powerbook 5,8 :
DiskSpeed 5.0 Copyright © 1995-2004 The AROS Development Team, 2012-2013 The MorphOS Team DiskSpeed 5.0 (7.5.2013)

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Processor: PPC MorphOS: 51.38
Device: System: Buffers: 128

Testing directory manipulation speed.
File Create: 4565 files/sec | CPU Available: 93%
File Open: 15867 files/sec | CPU Available: 1%
Directory Scan: 43218 files/sec | CPU Available: 1%
File Delete: 16121 files/sec | CPU Available: 1%

Seek/Read: 21764 seeks/sec | CPU Available: 1%

Testing with a 512 byte, LONG-aligned buffer.
Create file: 9794671 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 9%
Write to file: 21446877 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%
Read from file: 21769477 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%

Testing with a 4096 byte, LONG-aligned buffer.
Create file: 23758885 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 23%
Write to file: 155834330 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%
Read from file: 156681487 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%

Testing with a 32768 byte, LONG-aligned buffer.
Create file: 30754726 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 41%
Write to file: 54799970 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 49%
Read from file: 55505316 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 53%

Testing with a 262144 byte, LONG-aligned buffer.
Create file: 34499115 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 41%
Write to file: 84061837 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 83%
Read from file: 82443627 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 84%

Testing with a 512 byte, WORD-aligned buffer.
Create file: 9265881 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 9%
Write to file: 21283528 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%
Read from file: 21837343 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%

Testing with a 4096 byte, WORD-aligned buffer.
Create file: 24754472 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 22%
Write to file: 153044180 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 0%
Read from file: 147839503 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 0%

Testing with a 32768 byte, WORD-aligned buffer.
Create file: 30332012 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 37%
Write to file: 55640993 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 48%
Read from file: 55473660 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 53%

Testing with a 262144 byte, WORD-aligned buffer.
Create file: 35092338 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 51%
Write to file: 83496010 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 83%
Read from file: 82460334 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 83%

Testing with a 512 byte, BYTE-aligned buffer.
Create file: 9433433 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 9%
Write to file: 21322243 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%
Read from file: 21795449 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%

Testing with a 4096 byte, BYTE-aligned buffer.
Create file: 24749625 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 24%
Write to file: 151947090 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%
Read from file: 147021616 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 0%

Testing with a 32768 byte, BYTE-aligned buffer.
Create file: 5933549 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%
Write to file: 6486797 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 0%
Read from file: 4118860 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 0%

Testing with a 262144 byte, BYTE-aligned buffer.
Create file: 6105297 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 0%
Write to file: 6724688 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 0%
Read from file: 4228767 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%

Average CPU Available: 22%

PowerBook 5,8, Kingfast 1.8" 128GB PATA SSD results:

DiskSpeed 5.0 Copyright © 1995-2004 The AROS Development Team, 2012-2013 The MorphOS Team DiskSpeed 5.0 (7.5.2013)

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Processor: PPC MorphOS: 51.38
Device: System: Buffers: 128

Testing directory manipulation speed.
File Create: 5213 files/sec | CPU Available: 95%
File Open: 15670 files/sec | CPU Available: 1%
Directory Scan: 43793 files/sec | CPU Available: 1%
File Delete: 17484 files/sec | CPU Available: 1%

Seek/Read: 18422 seeks/sec | CPU Available: 1%

Testing with a 512 byte, LONG-aligned buffer.
Create file: 5946074 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 40%
Write to file: 19509981 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%
Read from file: 22309993 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%

Testing with a 4096 byte, LONG-aligned buffer.
Create file: 7058093 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 60%
Write to file: 149766187 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%
Read from file: 160405351 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%

Testing with a 32768 byte, LONG-aligned buffer.
Create file: 7343645 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 79%
Write to file: 16059878 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 80%
Read from file: 47932386 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 57%

Testing with a 262144 byte, LONG-aligned buffer.
Create file: 7904764 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 86%
Write to file: 24667981 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 92%
Read from file: 73451691 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 84%

Testing with a 512 byte, WORD-aligned buffer.
Create file: 4158029 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 34%
Write to file: 21782115 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%
Read from file: 22190445 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%

Testing with a 4096 byte, WORD-aligned buffer.
Create file: 5770772 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 61%
Write to file: 142366203 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%
Read from file: 149623131 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 0%

Testing with a 32768 byte, WORD-aligned buffer.
Create file: 7167174 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 74%
Write to file: 16006290 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 80%
Read from file: 47590689 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 58%

Testing with a 262144 byte, WORD-aligned buffer.
Create file: 6251255 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 90%
Write to file: 22728203 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 94%
Read from file: 73521727 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 85%

Testing with a 512 byte, BYTE-aligned buffer.
Create file: 4160379 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 35%
Write to file: 21494448 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 11%
Read from file: 22271328 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%

Testing with a 4096 byte, BYTE-aligned buffer.
Create file: 6523428 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 58%
Write to file: 143671963 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%
Read from file: 150776038 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 0%

Testing with a 32768 byte, BYTE-aligned buffer.
Create file: 3447160 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 29%
Write to file: 4964642 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 37%
Read from file: 3698970 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 0%

Testing with a 262144 byte, BYTE-aligned buffer.
Create file: 2882171 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 23%
Write to file: 5154572 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 46%
Read from file: 3708242 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 9%

Average CPU Available: 37%

Sorry it took some days, but here are mine:

DiskSpeed 5.0 Copyright © 1995-2004 The AROS Development Team, 2012-2013 The MorphOS Team DiskSpeed 5.0 (7.5.2013)

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Processor: PPC MorphOS: 51.38
Device: System: Buffers: 128

Testing directory manipulation speed.
File Create: 13020 files/sec | CPU Available: 97%
File Open: 18806 files/sec | CPU Available: 1%
Directory Scan: 46170 files/sec | CPU Available: 1%
File Delete: 19128 files/sec | CPU Available: 1%

Seek/Read: 23516 seeks/sec | CPU Available: 1%

Testing with a 512 byte, LONG-aligned buffer.
Create file: 10110146 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 11%
Write to file: 23338589 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%
Read from file: 23658561 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%

Testing with a 4096 byte, LONG-aligned buffer.
Create file: 24648900 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 29%
Write to file: 171220531 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%
Read from file: 170788971 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%

Testing with a 32768 byte, LONG-aligned buffer.
Create file: 38287662 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 44%
Write to file: 64938175 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 69%
Read from file: 66092801 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 72%

Testing with a 262144 byte, LONG-aligned buffer.
Create file: 43596905 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 59%
Write to file: 85051898 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 93%
Read from file: 81166293 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 93%

Testing with a 512 byte, WORD-aligned buffer.
Create file: 10494641 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 14%
Write to file: 23172154 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%
Read from file: 23532546 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%

Testing with a 4096 byte, WORD-aligned buffer.
Create file: 24696023 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 32%
Write to file: 166635865 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%
Read from file: 159373411 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 0%

Testing with a 32768 byte, WORD-aligned buffer.
Create file: 35614390 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 48%
Write to file: 64903721 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 69%
Read from file: 66083656 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 72%

Testing with a 262144 byte, WORD-aligned buffer.
Create file: 41827076 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 64%
Write to file: 84536676 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 92%
Read from file: 81126902 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 93%

Testing with a 512 byte, BYTE-aligned buffer.
Create file: 10444626 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 20%
Write to file: 23213652 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%
Read from file: 23537753 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%

Testing with a 4096 byte, BYTE-aligned buffer.
Create file: 23236721 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 31%
Write to file: 166564160 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 0%
Read from file: 160424873 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 0%

Testing with a 32768 byte, BYTE-aligned buffer.
Create file: 6224535 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 0%
Write to file: 6630229 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 0%
Read from file: 4235988 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 0%

Testing with a 262144 byte, BYTE-aligned buffer.
Create file: 6396947 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 1%
Write to file: 6808946 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 0%
Read from file: 4314818 bytes/sec | CPU Available: 0%

Average CPU Available: 27%

@Doffo
Your drive seems definately faster, than mine.

and slightly faster than mine, something i can't really explain as all these drives should run faster than what the ATA bus can deliver at max. I ran the bench several times and had quite different results, from a bit faster to a bit slower, so i guess this is not really meaningful. The SSDs are too fast for the bus anyway, the only interesting comparison is versus HHDs.

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Yes, you would think that these SSD's would all hit the maximum speed of the PATA bus and all display the same, or very close to the same results, when you all use the same testing software.

What could the answer for differing results be?

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some factors may explain the different results, like... how old is the SSD ? what's the incidence of the absence of TRIM function in morphOS for the performance ? etc

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Filesystem perhaps?

I did overclock my Mac Mini to 1.75ghz. so the increase in speed probably helped it. :)

I'm still not unsatisfied with the results. The booting time is about 1/3, compared to a HD boot.
Any SSD solution is much faster, than a HD.

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And - even if I am repeating myself - drive speed is not important when booting. An Efika for example boots several times faster from usb (1.1MB/s) than from harddrive (5.5MB/s).

As you can see the drive is 5 times slow, but booting at least 3 times faster.

There are praktically no seek times. Booting involves hundreds of files less then 100KB in size. Searching for all those files takes much longer than loading them on a real harddrive, while on an SSD the search delay is praktically not there.

Second. If you compare SSD vs HDD keep in mind that some longer used any probably several times updated MorphOS on HDD causes fragmentation, which results in even more seek times, while an SSD stays as fast as it was the first time, which is another big feature of an SSD.

Just to see how fragmentation effects a small (old) example. In the early days when we used the Sputnik Browser I noticed that loading on Efika took ages (around 28-30 seconds), after defragmentation the browser launched in about 8 seconds. With SSD this is nothing to think about anymore.

Yes, I know in the press there are facts told that an SSD will slow down over time, when no TRIM support is used. This is true for such x86 system, but will not effect us. Most of the drives are up to 10 times faster than the ide/sata port in our system can handle, so even with a drive getting its maximum slowness, it is still faster than our hardware can handle.

When speed testing drives, I strongly suggest to boot without startup-sequence and use ChangeTaskPri 120 in shell before launch to get the best results without having other tasks reducing results in the background.

Also the lack of TRIM support is reducing the life time of a disc, which is a fact, that is true. And again it practically does not effect us as they calculate the amount of write cycles in GBs, while MorphOS is mostly never writing anything, as there is no hibernation implemented.

However if you got a 120 GB SSD and want to increase its life cycle, then simply partition only 100GB. Leave the last 20 GB (or less as you with) untouched. These blocks are now known as empty for PoV of the SSD or in other words these blocks are TRIMMED 24/7. So the SSD can swap blocks with this area to increase speed and health of the SSD. I used a CF card for about 2 years in my Pegasos2, which still is my main systems. I wrote surly about 500MB per day during that period and did not have a single issue. Just forget about this "writing kills my drive" and enjoy it.

A hard drive could break at any time, by shock, engine failure and other mecanical issues. After my experience over the last years in using flash media, I trust harddrives less then SSDs. I even have a 64GB portable SSD for data transfer now., where before several 2.5" drives died frequently.

Geit

geit,
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Sorry for the dumb question, but how do I boot without the startup-sequence as AFAICT there is no early boot screen like on Amigas. Do I just temporarily rename MOSSYS:S/startup-sequence and or S:startup-sequence or something like that?

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Easy answer. There is an early startup screen in MorphOS since 1.5 :)

There are several ways to reach it, but when keyboard/mouse is involved, it is kind of hard to find the right moment. AFAIR you can press and hold the left mouse button as well as F1 to get into the boot screen.

You have to press as soon as you get into the MorphOS boot.img.

Another way is to add "bootmenu" or "BM" as argument to the boot.img.

Geit

For the record, it is documented on this page: http://www.morphos-team.net/faq

> There is an early startup screen in MorphOS since 1.5 :)

...which is 2.0 in official parlance, just for the record :-)

Thanks for that.

Now you mention it having to press the left mouse button rings a bell as I tried that on my PowerBook recently but it didn't do anything.

I'll try it again and F1 too.

F1 works well on the powerbook to reach the early-startup. I ran Diskspeed again without startup sequence but it had no incidence on the results.

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Dumb question time folks.

The mSATA to ISE adapter I have is 5V which I believe is correct for a Powerbook.

My 128GB mSATA card is 3.3V.

Am I correct in assuming that my mSATA card will get fried it I connect it the adapter and the nfit it in my Powerbook?

I was confused at first, but this is how I best understood.

Yes, most mSata drives are DC 3.3v from the get go. When buying those IDE to mSata adapters, it only wants you to account for the actual voltage coming INTO the adapter itself. Most devices used 5V DC that the laptop gives out. Mac Mini gives out a 5v as well as the Mac laptops did.

That adapter you bought HAD to be 5v because there is extra circuitry to dumb the voltage down to 3.3v ;)

IF you bought the 3.3V ide to msata adapter, you would have SIZZLED the SSD because the extra circuitry to bring down the voltage wasnt present and fed it directly into the SSD.

:) Hope this cleared it up. I double checked what I ordered when I did this, and my Samsung mSata SSD did say DC 3.3v and the adapter I bought was a 5v IDE to mSata.