External Firewire Hard Drive Enclosure
  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    XDelusion
    Posts: 602 from 2010/10/27
    So I hear that I can install OS X on an external Fire Wire HD and boot from it on my eMac.
    Now I am wondering if can buy any external firewire HD enclosure and use it for this purpose, or do only certain brands work?
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Yomgui
    Posts: 348 from 2004/8/31
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    Mac's hardware with FW connections have a minimal SBP2 driver in the firmware. So they can mount FW devices using this protocol.

    You can also put a Mac with FW in target mode, and uses its internal HD by FW, to boot or just access data from another computer.

    [ Edited by Yomgui on 2011/2/18 9:28 ]
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    JohnFante
    Posts: 158 from 2006/9/4
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    How is that done more precisely?

    I have a Lacie firewire HD placed under my MacMini. I would like to try CruxPPC or something on it. http://cruxppc.org/
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    XDelusion
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    So any enclosure should work then?
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    XDelusion
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    I decided to give it a go with this:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200357960798&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

    If it don't work, I'll just sell it or use it with my PC.

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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Yomgui
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    @XDelusion:

    1394 norm defines only SBP2 as a sort of mass-storage (in fact it's a SCSI cmd over FW protocol).

    99.9999% of bridge chipsets use this norm, so any enclosure should work.
    But as always, norms are never understood or/and strictly followed: so some chipsets don't work well with Helios for example, like some oxford series.

    But MacOS-X handles them very well ;-)
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Zylesea
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    Should work. I use some 2 1/2" iomega fw drive to boot OS X. I think that is the most convenient way for a dual boot system when OS X is used only rarely. No annoying boot menu, just plug in the firewire before you power on/reset if you want to boot OS X.
    Performance of a fw drive as system drive is good enough.
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    Acill
    Posts: 1931 from 2003/10/19
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    To boot into target disk mode in OS X you hold the "T" key at bootup. This turns any mac into an external firewire drive basicly, if your using 10.5 you can boot a USB 2.0 drive as well as a firewire drive. The drive needs to formated as a bootable device in disk utility and you hold the option key down during boot up. You will get a boot menu that will list the devices you can boot from at that point and simple use the mouse to click the one you want to boot off of.

    [ Edited by Acill on 2011/2/18 11:04 ]
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    Quote:


    Acill wrote:
    To boot into target disk mode in OS X you hold the "T" key at bootup. This turns any mac into an external firewire drive basicly, if your using 10.5 you can boot a USB 2.0 drive as well as a firewire drive. The drive needs to formated as a bootable device in disk utility and you hold the option key down during boot up. You will get a boot menu that will list the devices you can boot from at that point and simple use the mouse to click the one you want to boot off of.

    [ Edited by Acill on 2011/2/18 11:04 ]


    I'm not sure I'm following this correctly.
    I think I might be confused by "To boot into target disk mode in OS X you hold the "T" key at bootup. This turns any mac into an external firewire drive basicly".
    Does this allow a Mac to boot from an external drive or does it "turn(s) any mac into an external firewire drive"?
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    Piru
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    Quote:

    Does this allow a Mac to boot from an external drive or does it "turn(s) any mac into an external firewire drive"?

    turn(s) any mac into an external firewire drive

    Booting from FW can be done using the usual boot menu (alt key).

    [ Edited by Piru on 2011/2/19 2:33 ]
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    Thanks Piru.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    So how bad is the performance hit if booting from Firewire? Would I be ahead just to partion my internal drive and install OS X on it along side MorphOS?
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    Piru
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    So how bad is the performance hit if booting from Firewire?

    With firewire 400 it's upto 49MB/s, and firewire 800 upto 96MB/s. With FW800 it's mostly limited by the drive speed (I typically get 70MB/s from normal HDDs).

    FW400: slightly slower but not much
    FW800: Should be pretty much identical to internal HDD speed

    [ Edited by Piru on 2011/2/19 21:23 ]
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    XDelusion
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    Aghhh.... well now I wish I'd have gotten an 800. Oh well, it's only OS X, I'm sure I won't be using it much if at all. In fact I'm not even sure why I want to install it? Oh ya...

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    Piru
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    eMac has FW400 only anyway.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    XDelusion
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    Oh, well great then!!! :)
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  • »21.02.11 - 01:48
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