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  • »17.12.06 - 10:58
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    Posts: 84 from 2003/7/9
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    This would be a great feature for any OS. I'm not sure how fast the memory would be on one of these flash drives compared to regular ram though.

    Would be awesome for the Efika if you ran into a situation were you needed more ram on the fly.
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    Posts: 2065 from 2003/6/4
    How would that differ from any other VM approach?
    If MOS had VM support I am pretty sure, it wouldn't make any restrictions regarding the used vorlumes (logical) or drives (physical).
    The bottleneck still keeps being the relatively slow ide bus (+ca. 10 MB/s) or usb1.1 (with 1.5 MB/s totally out of dicussion).

    Neko's idea to utilize gfc card mem sound even more interesting than the above, while I still think the best approach with the efika is just to not overstep the 128MB limit (though VM would be nice as 'security backup' to not render the sytsem dead when out of ram).
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Posts: 1214 from 2004/12/1
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    VISTA doesn't use USB sticks as system memory. This is not the point. Readyboost will monitor prefetched data that is to be sent to virtual memory and instead direct it to a more responsive memory device--a USB drive, SD Card, Compact Flash, or other flash memory device that is connected to your computer.

    Readyboost works only with high speed usb sticks, fast responsive ones. I tried several usb keys for it and none of them was fast enough to enable the feature.

    It's nothing but a replacement for virtual memory /swap
    Don't expect to have anything smilar on Efika.
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    > It occurred to me that this would be a valuable feature for MorphOS for Efika.

    Don't believe this kind of Microsoft marketing bullshit. Using a swapping pagefile on a harddisk is bad enough, but on flashrom, this is going to be either slow (except for the seeking time, flash has no advantage to a harddisk) and/or a waste of money because FlashRoms only have a limited amount of rewrite-cycles (usually in the six digits range) and when using the flashdisk for "virtual memory" the thing is probably dead within a month.
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  • »18.12.06 - 08:21
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    Quote:

    A couple of people checked and their video memories were available at 36 MB/sec and 60 Mb/sec.


    That's under optimal conditions on far better bus/cpu combo than the efika can ever hope to achieve. In real world use on the efika you can expect far, far worse performance...

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    Yeah it would not be that fast, but it could get you through at times, to allow you to keep going until you closed some apps or whatever.


    I seriously don't understand why you keep clinging to this, the efika in its present form is not usable as an end-user product (it's far too impractical to assemble and has no reasonable way to expand it with memory or f.ex. a dvd drive), if anything it can't be considered as anything else than an evaluation prototype for some embedded product (where you can call the shots on the specs for the final product depending on your needs). If you enter into it thinking anything else you'll be gravely disappointed.

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    And putting unused graphics card memory to use, I mean you are powering it up anyway, may as well use it.


    Who said it's unused? By mapping away graphics memory for other use you are permanently impairing the capabilities of your graphics card for other tasks (which will even further compound the slowdown of your system).


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    Posts: 328 from 2003/5/19
    CISC: What's so hard about connecting a DVD drive? The IDE connector only takes one unit, or what?

    Ok, you need some kind of case which won't be easy to find, but connecting it doesn't seem like so much trouble to me.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    SoundSquare
    Posts: 1214 from 2004/12/1
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    from BPlan :

    Quote:

    technical wise the controller is able to handle
    master/slave. Every kind of adapter will add
    trace length. It could be that these additional
    trace lengths create problems afterwards.



    that's all i got !
  • »18.12.06 - 14:28
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    Quote:

    What's so hard about connecting a DVD drive? The IDE connector only takes one unit, or what?


    Apart from the rumour (by Neko) that a slave unit won't work properly on the efika you'll find that it's quite tricky to connect a slave dvd drive to a 2.5" connector .. esp. a slim-drive as they have a quite special connector that needs an adapter, and these adapters only come in 3.5" variants afaicf...


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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Posts: 1178 from 2003/3/13
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    Quote:

    from BPlan :
    technical wise the controller is able to handle
    master/slave. Every kind of adapter will add
    trace length. It could be that these additional
    trace lengths create problems afterwards.


    Well, I've seen Amigas 1200 working with a meter of cable coming out of its internal, unbuffered IDE interface...

    I guess bplan is collecting here a widh list for the next batch of Efikas, right? ;-) I wonder why anyone hasn't asked for this yet:

    Could you guys take out the joke of the ATX connector, and add a 12 VDC input, for an external power brick? I think there is space left on the board for the required regulators. They should be small and cheap, because the Efika has such a low current draw.
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