RAM left unused after booting on EFIKA???
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    >> AFAIK there is also the 1,33ghz version that has a 64mb radeon...

    > Nope.

    Sure, there is.
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    Golem
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    Oh? Do you have one? I could give links to show you otherwise, or I could check the one on my desk...

    Here's a link for you.

    And...
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    [ Edited by Golem on 2008/12/7 17:41 ]
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    I am pretty sure that Golem is correct. Everything I have read about the last PPC MacMini's has stated that the 1.5GHz PPC w/64mb of VRAM was a late revision to the 1.42GHz model. In fact, I have seen some sellers state that their 1.5GHz models came in boxes that had 1.42GHz stickers on them.

    I don't know if that was the case for all of the 1.5GHz models, but it might have been true.
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > Do you have one?

    No.

    > Here's a link for you.
    > And [...]

    Thanks for the *important* information, really appreciated. That's really news to me. If it wasn't for your correction maybe I would have ended up with 32 MiB VRAM eventually.
    Someone with first hand information really should correct the Wikipedia article.
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > Everything I have read about the last PPC MacMini's has stated that
    > the 1.5GHz PPC w/64mb of VRAM was a late revision to the 1.42GHz model.

    What's that to do with the 1.33 GHz model (silently upgraded from 1.25 GHz) Golem and I were talking about?

    > In fact, I have seen some sellers state that their 1.5GHz models
    > came in boxes that had 1.42GHz stickers on them.

    Each and every 1.5 GHz MacMini was sold as 1.42 GHz originally, per both the box sticker and the computer badge. Same with the 1.33 GHz model, which was sold as 1.25 GHz.
  • »08.12.08 - 18:19
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    Neko
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    Sorry Dave but I'm going to drop this now.

    You do not have a grasp of the situation with the board, yet your initial exclamations of "I require proof!" show your arrogance on the subject.

    My statements on the subject were the honest truth of the situation, which you disregarded out of hand, which is why I got a little snippy even before you decided to take me to task on my "developer relations style" - and even more so afterwards.

    Don't feel too special that Bill called you. He called me beforehand to ask if he should or not, and for the want of a phone that doesn't disconnect when you hold it the wrong way, I would have been on the call, too.

    It has not changed that you simply are not capable of doing it and did not have the facts at hand when you discounted my first statement out of hand.
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    xyphoid
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    this is the kind of stuff which just turn off support to other alternative options! Obviously you can't drop it, and the point is Amigadave was not satisfied with your responses (or the manner delivered) so he sought a second opinion.. there are a couple of you on here who have god like complexes! it's not that serious! I don't always agree with him, (amigadave) but I respect his opinion. If you're right ok, move on... I'm alway wrong out here, because sometimes I just don't get it. This shouldn't be a forum for I know more than you, so I talk to you anyway and my opinion's only what counts with smart answers or remarks. The fighting is redundant and superficial.
    If it gets to the point where we can't ask relative questions, without being chastised then where will the future support will come from. I'm new to the product, but you've just turned me off!

    I'm done co-signing
    Sorry amigadave..you needn't respond
  • »08.12.08 - 21:39
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    amigadave
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    Quote:


    Neko wrote:
    Sorry Dave but I'm going to drop this now.


    Then why didn't you just drop it? No, you still see a need to vindicate your mistake(s) by continuing to try to put me down. What is your purpose for the remainder of your post below? Just what are you trying to accomplish?

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    You do not have a grasp of the situation with the board, yet your initial exclamations of "I require proof!" show your arrogance on the subject.


    I strongly disagree with that statement. It is YOUR arrogance to insist that anyone believe that it cannot be done just because you say so, without offering an accurate answer to the "Why" it cannot be done.

    My initial exclamations were simple questions asking why the EFIKA could not be expanded with more RAM when the board clearly has the solder pads for additional RAM chips on the bottom of it. There were many on this forum site that believe it could be done, one that tried to do it and failed and many different theories about what would work, or not work, but there were no clear answers from either Bplan or Genesi, UNTIL NOW!

    My asking for further proof when you gave an answer to my question that was incorrect and did not make any sense (you implied that my pcb was not capable of having more RAM added) is not arrogance. Wanting to know the answer to a thing is not arrogance.

    If I had a full grasp of "the situation with the board", I would not have started any of the questions. I now have enough information and I am mature enough to admit that it is financially impractical for Genesi, or Bplan to attempt adding RAM to the EFIKA, and it is practically impossible for anyone else to do so without help and permission from Genesi, or Bplan.

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    My statements on the subject were the honest truth of the situation, which you disregarded out of hand, which is why I got a little snippy even before you decided to take me to task on my "developer relations style" - and even more so afterwards.


    I will let others judge your demeanor in your first responses toward me. Obviously I did not appreciate your attitude and lack of simple, and correct answers.

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    Don't feel too special that Bill called you. He called me beforehand to ask if he should or not, and for the want of a phone that doesn't disconnect when you hold it the wrong way, I would have been on the call, too.


    Now I am really crushed that I am not special. Is this another lame attempt on your part to put me down further? My response to receiving the phone call was a very positive one, as Bill was very courteous, and answered all of my questions in just a few words without any crap or attitude, which is 1000% more than you have done. It was obvious to me that Bill values all of the MorphOS users and I was so impressed that last night I went to the Genesi website store looking for a way to donate through Paypal without actually buying anything. Bill somehow knew that I had purchased my EFIKA through Directron, and not the Genesi store and commented on the fact that Genesi had expended a large sum of money to get MorphOS ported to the EFIKA. I did not really know this and had not considered it at the time of my purchase, and even though I am having financial problems right now, I might have purchased from Genesi, instead of Directron, had I know all the facts at the time of purchase. After this repeated abuse from you, I no longer feel motivated to donate to Genesi today.

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    It has not changed that you simply are not capable of doing it and did not have the facts at hand when you discounted my first statement out of hand.


    It does not surprise me one bit that you are unwilling to accept, or admit your mistake(s) and continue with YOUR arrogance and superiority complex attitude. Don't think to yourself that Xyphoid and myself are the only members here that can see it.

    You are right that I am not capable of adding RAM to my EFIKA, but I never implied that I could. I simply wanted to find out if there was any way for Bplan, Genesi, or any other company with the necessary tools and know-how, to add RAM to the EFIKA board. The only thing you wrote that I "discounted" was the statement

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    "Please do not make your Efika "take" 256MB RAM - it will not work, simply, because the PCB you have cannot take more than two 512Mbit chips"


    which is not true. You are right in that I did not have the facts at hand when I discounted the above statement, but I did not need them, as it is just common sense and general knowledge that the pcb's would all be the same.

    I sincerely hope that I never need any developer relation help. I would hate to put up with this abuse again.

    @xyphoid,
    No apology needed. I know that I make mistakes from time to time and can express my opinions too much, or too vigorously at other times. I will try to control my temper, but as I wrote already, I won't be any arrogant (bleep)'s door mat.

    P.S. CubicIDE purchased at the reduced Xmas rate and I am ready to start with my first project for MorphOS on my EFIKA as soon as it arrives.

    [ Edited by amigadave on 2008/12/8 16:22 ]
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  • »08.12.08 - 22:18
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    Posts: 128 from 2007/11/19
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    If there would be documents on how to upgrade memory on efika and there would be a ready firmware to allow over 128MBytes of memory. Professional who is able to upgrade the memory would charge the ammount of money it takes you to buy a Mac Mini.
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    kolla
    Posts: 106 from 2003/4/22
    This thread just points out the obvious, the efika sucks  :-)

    Just about any other hack-target embedded board around are possible to do memory upgrades for, without too much hassle, but not the efica - no no, it's so special. Or something.

    What's up with Genesi these days anyhow? No products, no money, neko browsing the web looking for powerpc porn by others (except aCube ofcourse!), bbrv and his blog headlines looking more and more like my spamfolder... :-)

    [ Edited by kolla on 2008/12/10 1:07 ]
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    takemehomegrandma
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    @kolla

    I don't know, but a few times before when Genesi went "silent" it afterwards turned out that they were too busy to chat on the web. For example the long silent periods before the LimePC revelation. Who knows? At least they have said they are working on some kind of new hardware with an aim for release in 2009.
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  • »10.12.08 - 06:38
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    jcmarcos
    Posts: 1178 from 2003/3/13
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    Quote:

    kolla wrote:

    This thread just points out the obvious


    Your words are harsh. And I don't dislike them.

    Genesi's business is not easy. Not even finding an opportunity, let alone fulfill it with a product. And then you find people like THTF in the road...
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    amigadave
    Posts: 2795 from 2006/3/21
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    jcmarcos wrote:
    Genesi's business is not easy. Not even finding an opportunity, let alone fulfill it with a product. And then you find people like THTF in the road...


    I agree. Business opportunities are hard to find for everyone in these economically volatile and depressed times we are living in.

    I am sure everyone at Genesi is working long hard hours trying to find ways to make money and finding new hardware for MorphOS to run on may only be a very small part of their plans and projects.

    I don't know how much money they recouped from selling EFIKA boards, but I would guess it was not enough. How many times are they going to be willing to invest in the MorphOS community if their investments do not return a profit?

    I may be a bit uninformed and naive regarding all the history of Genesi and the MorphOS development team, but I will continue to give them credit and the benefit of the doubt, continue to support them, until I learn differently.
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    Update:

    > Someone with first hand information really should correct the Wikipedia article.

    Was done in May 2010. Now reads correctly:

    "The high-end model of the last revision comes with 64 MiB of video memory instead."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_Mini#Processors
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