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CPU GPU RAM to G4 laptops, almost everything.

Surely x5000 is closeby by design, but even PA Semi was ment for laptop efficiency\
some crazy people made it into a full desktop :D

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Its a zombie. In SW it isnt dead yet as many Linux distros support it.
But as kernel support for m68k (original Linux arch) is now removed,
one day, not so far will PPC32 at least - PPC64 (G5 plus) might live some more.

We still those QUIRK (I call them WEIRD) CPUs left and some FPGA, and beside
IBM POWER, thats it.

What if zombies could walk

Zombie walk 2022

> kernel support for m68k (original Linux arch) is now removed

Is it? The m68k Linux kernel development mailing list looks busy as usual to me. Besides, the original Linux platform is x86. m68k was second.

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Hmmm ... my mistake since Linus learne ASM on QLs 68008.
You are right, its about time he got 386 (as usual)

However I am not wrong on moveaway
IDE https://www.phoronix.com/news/m68k-Switches-To-Libata
Kernel https://lwn.net/Articles/769694/

As with PPC it does not kill community efforts.

>>> kernel support for m68k (original Linux arch) is now removed

>> Is it?

> I am not wrong on moveaway
> IDE https://www.phoronix.com/news/m68k-Switches-To-Libata
> Kernel https://lwn.net/Articles/769694/

None of those links supports your claim of Linux kernel support for m68k having been removed. Quite to the contrary, your first link from 2021 describes how m68k support was retained by switching the m68k kernel from the legacy IDE API to modern libata. Your second link from 2018 merely mentions that that year's Kernel Maintainers Summit had discussions of removing support for old architectures like m68k due to their kernels using old APIs. As your first link and the fact that m68k is today, as much as 6 years later, still an officially supported architecture, are testimony of, the m68k kernel maintainers managed to switch the kernel from the old APIs to the new ones (which include both the IDE/ATA API as per the 2021 article and the timer API as per the 2018 article comments).
Bottom line: You are wrong ideed :-)

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OK. I will use argument m68k Linux is less developed then AROS
but hey, its not bad it lives!

However, jokes aside, seems Linux kernel will be "cleansed of all old heaten" if not now, then in near future.


[ Edited by vox 04.12.2024 - 19:25 ]

> m68k Linux is less developed then AROS

Strictly speaking, Linux is just the kernel. I'm not sure how to compare that to an OS like AROS. But if we take a Linux-based OS (i.e. distribution) like Debian, it seems rather recent and complete:

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/current/
http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports/pool-m68k/main/

I'd hazard the guess that for most use cases and as long as the hardware is fast enough (e.g. emulated m68k), Debian/m68k still has more to offer than AROS on any ISA (except for the web browser situation compared to AROS/x64).

> seems Linux kernel will be "cleansed of all old heaten" if not now,
> then in near future.

That's not quite how it works. Linux kernel support simply depends on whether or not there are active maintainers who keep the kernel development in sync for a given ISA. There are many cases of newer ISAs not supported anymore while older ISAs still are. m68k has been a tremendously popular ISA even to this day. As soon as the current m68k maintainers step down and there'll be no replacement for them found, the m68k Linux kernel development will be dead, but not before.

Another update to this train wreck of a project:

> https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/2024/11/major-improvements-for-powerboard-tyche-despite-adversity-but-there-is-still-work-to-be-done/

"we just couldn’t get the board to reach the crucial boot stage. This led us on a search for a new designer, someone with specific skills and experience with PowerPC architecture. We were really pleased to find a talented new designer who was available from the beginning of 2025, who can even rely on an additional person who is an expert in firmware programming. [...] we had high hopes that this new collaboration would quickly move us past the booting issues. [...] Our work with the new designer has been focused on rigorous testing. [...] Despite taking these significant steps, the board still did not boot. [...] after two years with the prototype motherboards in our hands, we still are not able to boot it. [...] By the end of 2025, we are determined to [...] have at least a stripped-down functional desktop version [...] up and running. [...] Focusing on a desktop board first allows us to concentrate on getting the core computing platform stable and functional, tackling the complexities of a laptop form factor [...] in a later stage if needed. [...] Once we reached the point of a fully working desktop version, we will still have to design the heat pipes, work on the chassis and most probably adjusting the board mechanical design, and finally, test the MXM video card, but for this we hope that the desktop version will provide a suitable testing bed."
https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/2025/05/strategic-change-by-2025-lets-do-whatever-it-takes-to-achieve-at-least-a-desktop-version/

Meanwhile, the financial state of all campaigns/phases is as follows:

I_0. 12600 EUR: Electrical schematics [accomplished]
I_1A. 19000 EUR: PCB [accomplished]
I_1B. 5000 EUR: Fast SI bus simulations [accomplished]
I_2. 13500 EUR: Prototypes [accomplished]
I_3. 14000 EUR: Testing [accomplished]
I_4. 12500 EUR: Certification [accomplished]
I_5. 5375 EUR: Prototypes and MXM graphics cards [accomplished]
II_1. 1000 EUR: JTAG debugger [accomplished]
II_2. 5000 EUR: U-Boot [accomplished]
II_3. 10000 EUR: Fix everything that's broken [47% done]

Maybe it's too early for that but I'd wish to express some mild doubts concerning completion of this project.

It's crazy that this project was initiated before Tabor was announced and still not done.

Update:

> https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/2025/05/strategic-change-by-2025-lets-do-whatever-it-takes-to-achieve-at-least-a-desktop-version/

"the Schematics Design of our new Powerboard Tyche Desktop is running fast thanks to the new Designer and to the NXP Devkit source design plus our […] Notebook design. Designer took from the NXP Devkit design (2023 version) everything is related to the boot process and many parts from our Notebook design […]. […] At the end of July, we will provide the schematic design and the BOM to the factory, which will then begin the PCB design based on the schematics. Therefore, by the beginning of August […], we will know the cost for the PCB design and prototype production. New donation campaigns will then start for PCB design and prototype production. Today, July 14th, 2025, we’ve officially launched the donation campaign for the schematics. Before the end of July, we’ll make the down payment for the schematics design. We already have funds collected from the previous donation campaign for the CE certification (of the […] Notebook), so we can advance money from that fund. However, it’s crucial to boost this new campaign and encourage everyone to donate so we can use fresh funds specifically for the schematics design. […] it’s possible to reach the goal to have a working Powerboard Tyche Desktop before the end of 2025, but is needed an extraordinary effort from donors because we depend on donations to cover all the steps that are coming: Schematics Design, PCB Design, Prototype Production and Tests. […] We remain absolutely committed to making an Open-Hardware Notebook-based PowerPC machine a reality. […] we have changed the tactic, focusing on a desktop board first allows us to concentrate on getting the core computing platform stable and functional, tackling the complexities of a laptop form factor […] in a later stage if needed. This is a pragmatic step to ensure we achieve a tangible outcome by our 2025 target. What’s more the Powerboard Tyche Desktop version will be more cheaper than the Notebook version!"
https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/2025/07/desktop-electrical-schematics-ready-in-august-25/

With this, the financial state of all campaigns/phases is as follows:

I_0. 12600 EUR: Electrical schematics [accomplished]
I_1A. 19000 EUR: PCB [accomplished]
I_1B. 5000 EUR: Fast SI bus simulations [accomplished]
I_2. 13500 EUR: Prototypes [accomplished]
I_3. 14000 EUR: Testing [accomplished]
I_4. 12500 EUR: Certification [accomplished]
I_5. 5357 EUR: Prototypes and MXM graphics cards [accomplished]
II_1. 1000 EUR: JTAG debugger [accomplished]
II_2. 5000 EUR: U-Boot [accomplished]
II_3. 8000 EUR: Fix everything that's broken [76% done]
III_1. 5400 EUR: Electrical schematics (desktop) [6% done]

So they want even more money so they might by the end of this year (aka 11 years over all) have something similar to what the Mirari did as a pure hobby project?

/insert facepalm emoji here