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Chicken and egg sittuation: MorphOS is not ported to the hardware because the hardware for MorphOS is not available. The hardware for MorphOS is not available because the market for MorphOS is not available. The market for MorphOS is not available because MorphOS for the hardware is not available...

Of course, there's a general rule: Put yourself in place of the MorphOS Team, and think, after seeing the low human resources (and compensation) you have, what the chances are to port the software to a not yet available, undocumented, untested computer.

Then, in the other hand, you have what you WOULD like to happen. But no matter how much you desire something: If it's again logic, it's not going to happen.

So again, the most likely scenario is having MorphOS on regular PCs (eeeeek!). Whose buyers, of course, would autommaticaly flee away from any experimental system that costs more than zero money. Unless MorphOS does something that no other system can.

That "something" is deliver FUN to your computer. Make a marketing campaign that successfully sells that, and not only MorphOS becomes a business, actually, the world becomes a better pllace.

@jcmarcos

agree 110%!

Ok, it seems, the bounty has no success. So, I'm agree to turn my donation to another bounty on power2people (when current bounty will closed, of course).

Also, I dicided to make no donations for MorphOS in future (I see no reasons to donate semidead OS). And, when my Peggy will die, I'll buy regular Wintel box (they say the Win7 has good potential).

@mobydick

Call me Ishmael!

The Book Moby-Dick was published in 1851 (that is the first line in Chapter 1 and also has some meaning here). Herman Melville, the author, died 40 years after that. The Book was not really regarded as a classic and successful for another 20+ years! Today, it is considered a literary masterpiece.

Likewise, let's give this Bounty some time (maybe not that long, but you get the idea)!

R&B

@mobydick

It takes time.
I am planning to regularly pay for this bounty. However, because it is a chance for new hardware. And the first half will come from the sale of my efika :)

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I dicided to make no donations for MorphOS in future (I see no reasons to donate semidead OS). And, when my Peggy will die, I'll buy regular Wintel box (they say the Win7 has good potential).

Funny statement. Why wait, buy a PC with Windows 7 and be happy right now, why wasting time with MorphOS?. You can also sell your Pegasos, so you will be able to buy even faster PC.

@mobydick

If something is "semidead" it must also be "semi-alive" and whilst there's some life there's always some hope

Anyway I'm not as pessimistic as you, I think there's plenty of life in MorphOS yet

@Genesi

Yes, I know story of this book :)

@Xenocide

> However, because it is a chance for new hardware

Yes, last chance...

@Krashan

I'm Amiga user since 1996, and I am MorphOS user since 2004. I love MorphOS... No, I love MorphOS + PowerPC; and I will use it until my Pegasos die. I can not use MorphOS without hardware, right?

@All

To complete firststage of MPC8610 Open Source Mainboard initiative, 10,500 euros should be collected during three weeks. After one week (one week is 1/3 of three weeks, it is a very long time!) we have only 1/10 of total amount.

How many people uses MorphOS and AmigaOS? 1000, 2000, 3000? How many people sent mail to feanor?

Do you really think I'm pessimist? :)

mobydick: did you forget that there is also a MorphOS version working on Mac mini g4 which makes a hardware base quite bigger? There is also PowerBook version in development which i think has a huge chance to be final product at some stage.

Bounty gives no warranty to any hardware and any warranty that MorphOS will work on that. Migrating to Mac hardware is quite good idea as there is loads of hw available, it's quite cheap and powerfull like for MorphOS.

@pampers

I still can't believe people are satisfied with 2nd hand computers, of uncertain condition and no warranty. Sure they're cheap, they've been USED for 5+ years. I wouldn't buy a 5y old used car esp. if I would want it as my main vehicle.

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The 3 weeks are AFTER the 3 bounty budget has been raised, it's the development time, not the time that we should wait to raise the funds for the bounty.

Still, you're right, I expected to see more donations, but at least let's give it some time like bbrv said.

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No, not really. But hope dies last.

I remember about MorphOS for Mac mini. But it is temporary solution. "I don't said it is new car. It is new car for you!" (somebody somewhere). Migrating to Mac is poor strategy.

>Bounty gives no warranty to any hardware and any warranty that MorphOS will work on that.

Yes, I know. But I'm ready to assume risk.

Feanor: don't get me wrong. I'm not against that bounty and what is more if i will get some extra cash i'm gonna put my few euros on that. I'm just realistic. Also MorphOS is not my 1st system to be honest, there is too much gap in software area for me.

I love MorphOS and from clearly MorphOS point of view that bounty has no use at the moment.

@mobydick

Btw, if the bounty *does* actually fail, before even one step is completed, it goes without saying that the donations will be returned to the donors. Of course.

I read bounty's rules :) It's sadly to see no interest to such initiatives.

> they've been USED for 5+ years

More like 3.75+ years.

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You have misunderstood.

That money is for the developers to spend three weeks of work. The work won't start until the money is collected, but there is no time limit in collecting the money!

I will try to donate a 100 EUR or so the next payday. Maybe more will consider this? Rome wasn't built in one day, you know...

;-)

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Life is so short :( I'm not Melville and I can not wait for middle of XX century :)

@feanor

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It depends. When Pegasos II was in production G4 model costed something like 500 euros (motherboard only) and you could buy it only from special resellers (i.e. Amiga resellers and other weird places). There never was Finnish reseller so you had to order it from another country.

On this week I got my Mac mini and it costed only 276 euros. It seems to run well and is powerful hardware yet compact. I got it quickly, I could still get another quickly, it is available everywhere and there is more support (as in support groups and knowledge) for Macs than custom hardware. Mac mini is also safe bet for new MorphOS users because if they get tired with it they can sell their Mac to other MorphOS or Mac users. Or just run OSX on it.

Pegasos 2 was produced "only" in few thousands (2400 units according to some sources) and it ran many OSes yet demand still was not high enough. I would not mind having new quality hardware for MorphOS but in my experience new PPC HW is not economically viable.

You will also find out that if your HW does not run OS4 but runs MorphOS and your HW is threat to SAM from Acube you face massive defamation on Amiga forums.

@itix

Simple question: what if it breaks?

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So far, I've been posting regularly on the Amiga forums as well, and I found the AmigaOS users more receptive at this idea. I don't think they will defame me nor the board if that happens, more likely they will mass-flame Hyperion or Acube for not porting. That will especially happen IF the board actually starts to sell.

In fact, I have had many personal mails from Amiga users, who are actually knowledgeable enough to want to help with the schematics/PCB design so that we increase our chances of getting this project to happen.

PS. For those with a LOTR background, F?anor was an especially stubborn person, my nick was not chosen at random :)

@Feanor

So your nick is a reference to the creator of the Simirils, I wondered as much.
Cool

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I get another. Or whatever is available at that time.

Currently my Pegasos II is broken again and there is no warranty left. I am going to get it repaied but it is probably going to cost few hundreds. If it is possible repair it at all. With your new hardware I could be in the same situation after two years of use. Get it repaired or buy the same model again?

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I was about to return to my post and edit my last sentence away. Most Amigans are quite OK these days.

@feanor

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To underline my point. What is missing in PPC world is that there is no new hardware every year. In x86 world if your old HW breaks and there is no warranty left it is always better buy new HW. You are getting better hardware for less money every year. On PPC it is quite opposite: the price goes up and features down

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You are unfair, hardware now is not worse than 5 years ago. It's just that the rate of ascent is not as high as in the PC world :)