Just so you know i dont have very much knowledge of hardware and donr know much about programming, iam just a user. Although iam very curious and try to learn.

Well is it possible IN THEORY to run MorhpOS on Xbox 360?
My specualtion started when i read this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PowerPC_processors
The processor seems pretty cool Xenon (Microsoft Xbox 360) - Three core PPE based, 1 MB shared L2 cache, VMX128, 3.2 GHz

Please forgive the unenlightened if the question was stupid :p

I'm sure Andreas will come in here with many links as it was discussed before but let me say that straight - MorphOS on Xbos is unlikely to happen.

But it is possible in theory?

MorphOS would be prevented by the elaborate DRM used in the XBox 360 but even if it did work, it would be slow. MorphOS doesn't yet support multithreading so it would be bound to a single thread of one of the cores on Xenon and unable to access other cores or threads at this time.

Haiku would be interesting in that case, though I'm not holding my breath on that either.

Yes, this and other game consoles have been discussed (my personal favorite would be thw WiiU), but since circumventing DRM is illegal and MorphOS is a commercial products with identifiable developers I don't think those developers would risk potentially legal actions.

I would be pritty cool though to have them running MOS but i can see the potential legal issues, there again we can dream.

caver99,
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Did you mean to say "See them block running MorphOS on the first compulsory update required for network play and new games"?

Well, don't know about X360 warez scene, maybe there are some unblockable exploits already found...

there is plenty of stuff on the warez scene for the 360 but MOS would need to be coded which is were the team sees the legal issues i expect seeing as the exploits circumvent m$ and nintendo security to allow the homebrew to run.
and the modders one both platforms have the updating part blocked already i think.
I have also seen a version of linux running at boot from the xell boot on you tube and thought how nice it would be if it was MOS doing this.

Isnt it possible to discuss the legal issues with MS and nintendo giving them a bit of the license.
Xbox 360 is soon to fade out to leave place for the Xbox 720 so within a year or two MS might be open to discussion.

That's no good.
Because, by then, I want to run it on the newer hardware.

yeh that would be good but it would depend on how many hundreds of thousands they want to open it up.

Jim,
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Haha speaking like a true techfreak :)

theoretically yes, xbox 360 mount ati radeon and tricore G5 PowerPC but make a course port the xbox 360 need to be modified illegally and violating a lot of microsost contracts (console need to be JTAG´ed with launchboard modified for working homebrew applications and OS´s, like some experimental Linux OS and other application like E-UAE for xbox 360).

MorphOS Team and users never accept this (not for me of course)

@Jim

No you don't....xbox720 or whatever it will be called will be x86 based according to the dev systems that Microsoft provides to devs

> xbox 360 mount [...] tricore G5 PowerPC

Xenon/XCGPU being a G5 (aka PPC970 aka trimmed-down POWER4) is an urban legend. More there (see link therein):
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=6993&start=68

Some say Xenon/XCGPU (and Cell) are more related to POWER6:
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7001&start=411

nemesiswar,
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Yep, I want it fast (and cheap).

Andreas_Wolf,
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Nay, Power6 is a more capable CPU. Xenon is neat because it take the core of the Cell, improves it, and multiplies it.

[ Edited by Jim 14.11.2012 - 01:31 ]

>> Some say Xenon/XCGPU (and Cell) are more related to POWER6

> Nay, Power6 is a more capable CPU.

Food for thought:

Out-of-order execution: POWER3, POWER4/PPC970, POWER5, POWER7, POWER8
In-order execution: Cell/Xenon, POWER6, PowerPC A2

Andreas_Wolf,
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Ah, very informative.

>> In-order execution: Cell/Xenon, POWER6, PowerPC A2

> Ah, very informative.

...and already mentioned before:
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7183&start=277

;-)

nemesiswar,
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Good idea, ask them!

Don't forget to tell the reply here, it's possible too fun to be missed...

Especially Microsoft is known to be excited about the possibilities for users to run 3rd party operating systems on their own hardware. </sarcasm>

Jupp3,
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Probably...not going to work.

I actually did get to exchange messages with the managers of the IBM division that handles the Cell BE.
But IBM only wanted to sell these to qualified companies who's products (in their mind) had a good chance of success.

Still think I'd rather have a Wii U processor and the glue circuitry to hook it up to PCIe slots.

> I actually did get to exchange messages with the managers of the IBM division
> that handles the Cell BE. But IBM only wanted to sell these to qualified
> companies who's products (in their mind) had a good chance of success.

Apart from the fact that developing your own device around an existing chip and only then porting an OS to it is of another quality than just porting an OS to an already existing device, with Xenon/XCGPU, which is more on-topic in this thread, the situation is even worse as IBM couldn't simply sell chips to third parties even if they wanted to, due to Microsoft having the last word on it.

Andreas_Wolf,
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Not quite true. POWER6 is an exotic processor which isn't the same as either in-order or out-of-order.
Don't remember the details but it uses a technique called "run ahead" to load data early.

OTOH you'll find a lot of processors described as "in-order" actually do a lot of things out-of-order.

I took me a couple of tries but I finally figured out what you meant Andreas.
Yeah, IBM could (and did) Cell Cell BE processors to third parties (not sure how they worked this out with Sony and Toshiba), but the rights to the Xenon are wholly Microsoft's.